Ronald Weinland, you should read Matthew 9:13

"Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."

Sunday, July 31, 2011

CURSING FROM THE MOUNTAINTOP

Ronald Weinland finally revealed his inner self today. During an extended period of frustration he took the Name in vain. The Ten Commandments do not apply to Ronald Weinland, and he may change the words in the Bible anytime he pleases, because he is not a Prophet of God. He has nothing to do with Holiness. Ronald Weinland is a liar and a thief. Read on:

"Testing one two three" resulted in a booming reverbration making him sound like he had the voice of many waters speaking from the mountaintop. I thought this was a great sound effect for a false prophet trying to sound witnessfully powerful.

dead air

"weird weird weird"

frustrated sighs

"Give me a break"

more frustrated sighs

The theme from the Good the Bad and the Ugly played for about three seconds. I do not know if this was a localized hack or someones cellphone ringtone, but I thought it was funny.

Ron's audio woes went on for about an hour. He bacame exceedingly frustrated, and powerfully so. "I was dumbfounded" by what happened next.

another sigh or two then a frustrated exclamation "Jesus!" then I guess Laura or someone else hit the mute or disconnect. How can a Prophet of God or an Apostle take the name of God in vain? Because he is a false prophet who does not believe in God. Can you imagine the real apostles cursing the name of Jesus Christ? Sorry Ron, you are busted!

They then read scripture about Jesus giving power to cast out demons, etc. as audio testing material.

at 3:17 pm EST audio was starting to sound better

All he had to do was turn down the mic gain or move the mike farther away from his lying blaspemous mouth.

I guess Giannotta's prayer to hold the technology together should have been said before they turned on the machines. But it does not matter who says the prayer because Ron does not believe in God. He runs his hollywood religion programme for money!

On the 31st day of July 2011, sometime after 3pm, Ronald Weinland took the name of God in vain over an open broadband connection. Good thing the mic gain was up so high or I would never have heard him say it. All you PKG'ers are following a con artist who breaks the Ten Commandments! My own ears heard him angrily curse with the Name of Jesus Christ, and I was not the only one who heard him.

47 comments:

jack635 said...

"It is monstrous to talk of Jesus Christ and to practice Judaism"

That was said by Ignatius of Antioch shortly before he was fed to the lions by the Romans. That is real faith, to give your life so that others may believe you are serious about your commitment to Jesus. That was the job of the saints, to make sure what they said was written down and distributed.

I am sure that the Apostles and the martyrs would never take the name of the Lord in vain.(or change the words in the Bible)

Ron has the PKG members money and they keep giving him more. So he can do whatever he wants to.

Anonymous said...

But Peter denying Christ three times wasn't bad, right? You truly are exposing your ignorance of God's word for everyone to see.

jack635 said...

For fear of his life and a torturous death, Peter denied knowing Jesus of Nazareth. If he would have said Yes I was with him, he would have been killed. He lived and went on to preach the gospel.

What has Peter's denial got to do with Ronald Weinland cursing with Jesus' Name?

You truly are exposing your ignorance of God's word for everyone to see.

Right back at ya. Seriously, what has Peter's denial got to do with the fact that Ronald Weinland is a liar, and conning you out of your money because you just don't feel like reading the new testament for yourself?

Anonymous said...

Jack,
You said, "For fear of his life and a torturous death, Peter denied knowing Jesus of Nazareth. If he would have said Yes I was with him, he would have been killed. He lived and went on to preach the gospel."


Excuses, excuses. A sin is still a sin no matter how you look at it. Anyways, Peter was killed later on in his life. If he wouldn't have sinned and denied Christ three times and would have been tortured and killed, God would have called someone else to take his place. Why do you limit God? Oh yeah, because you don't know Him.


Jack said, "What has Peter's denial got to do with Ronald Weinland cursing with Jesus' Name?"

Because even if Ronald said what you alleged he said, Ronald is only human with a carnal human nature that sins and everyone whom God calls has to fight and repent of this daily (something you know nothing about).
Peter and all the other apostles were human and sinned on a daily basis as well. The apostle Paul called himself a wretched man and had to fight his carnal human nature and repent of sin daily as do all whom God calls to believe His truth.
If you can't see this then that is your problem and you need help in seeing this truth. And to do that, you need to repent of your ignorance and ask God to open your mind to His truth and He will lead you to PKG. Your vain pride is your stumbling block. Don't let it be your downfall.


Jack said, "....Ronald Weinland is a liar, and conning you out of your money because you just don't feel like reading the new testament for yourself?"


This is obviously only your opinion and is in no way an accurate or true statement.

jack635 said...

you need to repent of your ignorance and ask God to open your mind to His truth and He will lead you to PKG.

The Testimony of Jesus Christ warns me to stay away from falsehoods like PKG.

Your vain pride is your stumbling block. Don't let it be your downfall.

A con artist named Ronald Weinland is taking you and your vain pride to the downfall of May 27th. And you will still follow his lies about being a Prophet of God and all his failed prophecies while continuing to give him money........or you will become an atheist like so many who follow a man instead of Jesus.

If the Holy Spirit dwells in Ronald Weinland, it would be impossible for him to curse Jesus or preach a gospel contrary to the one you received from the saints.

jack635 said...

I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written.

"1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing."

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.


Jack said, ""1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing."

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery."



Again...., the verses you quoted above, you don't and cannot understand what they really mean and to whom they apply. Those in PKG do know God and His son and do read what is in God's word and are in complete unity with what God gives to His son (Jesus) which in turn gives to the church (PKG).

Those in God's church (PKG) have true peace and security and it sounds like you are the one who is truly miserable or else you wouldn't be incessantly writing on this blog like a teenager watching a soap opera (how pathetic)!!!

jack635 said...

It is not possible for you to get away with uninhibited damage control on this blog. Instead of a quick reply to disprove your comments, I am going to bed and I will comment with the truth tomorrow. I'll unlock the comments in the morning. I can't have you running rampant on a site that promises the recorded truth from Jesus own human mouth.

I guess I better do my duty because I am "dumbfounded" at how many unique ip addresses showed up here today.

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery.

Anonymous said...

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery."



Again...., the verses you quoted above, you don't and cannot understand what they really mean and to whom they apply. Those in PKG do know God and His son and do read what is in God's word and are in complete unity with what God gives to His son (Jesus) which in turn gives to the church (PKG).

Those in God's church (PKG) have true peace and security and it sounds like you are the one who is truly miserable or else you wouldn't be incessantly writing on this blog like a teenager watching a soap opera (how pathetic)!!!

Anonymous said...

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery."



Again...., the verses you quoted above, you don't and cannot understand what they really mean and to whom they apply. Those in PKG do know God and His son and do read what is in God's word and are in complete unity with what God gives to His son (Jesus) which in turn gives to the church (PKG).

Those in God's church (PKG) have true peace and security and it sounds like you are the one who is truly miserable or else you wouldn't be incessantly writing on this blog like a teenager watching a soap opera (how pathetic)!!!

Anonymous said...

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise. The end with Ron is misery."



Again...., the verses you quoted above, you don't and cannot understand what they really mean and to whom they apply. Those in PKG do know God and His son and do read what is in God's word and are in complete unity with what God gives to His son (Jesus) which in turn gives to the church (PKG).

Those in God's church (PKG) have true peace and security and it sounds like you are the one who is truly miserable or else you wouldn't be incessantly writing on this blog like a teenager watching a soap opera (how pathetic)!!!

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Jack said, "I don't interpret the Word. I just write it down exactly as it is written."


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

jack635 said...

Comments are unlocked. I had to leave this morning. I will be back around noon. Jack

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Kirrily XPKG said...

The ministry would be so embarrassed by anon. They are not displaying the spirit of PKG (the one they profess). Funny how quite a few have this disgusting attitude though. No wonder they post as anon, this type of person would be disfellowshipped.

Ron always said there is no use preaching to those who cannot see the truth, for God has not called them yet. We should feel sorry for them, he would say. Anon is disobeying his prophet for the sake of his own pride, and anger - the anger and bitterness of their posts reveal their true character. Of course, their disobedience in even looking at this blog reveals their 'spirit'.

Thankfully we have these PKG types who do disobey Ronnie and his wench, as they reveal the TRUE nature of PKG - Pride.

If Anon really believed Ronnie, and what the guy teaches, he wouldn't be here laughing at us 'blind' folk, after all Anon, why are you so pissed at us when it is Gods decision not to call us right now? It's not our fault we can't see, as Ron plainly teaches.

People like you embarass PKG, but don't worry, we still love you!

Kirrily XPKG said...

Funny too, how no PKG supporter can actually tell us which of Ronnies prophetic ramblings have actually occurred 'exactly' as stated by Ron's book. LMAO. Deluded much?

Anonymous said...

Kirrily XPG,
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Nobody would be disfellowshipped. You didn't listen to a word Ron said when you were in God's Church (PKG) and were so full a pride back then that you misunderstood mostly everything he said. The only one that Ron would be embarrassed with is you wench. You are the one who is an evil twisted human being. Get off your high horse and do something productive with your life instead of living in the past which obviously you can't handle.

jack635 said...

You beat me to the post. I wanted to get this out before anyone else posted. Oh well, here it is. I was just about to click publish when my email went off.


Anonymous said: (last night before I announced commenting would be locked till morning)

You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.

Again...., the verses you quoted above, you don't and cannot understand what they really mean and to whom they apply. Those in PKG do know God and His son and do read what is in God's word and are in complete unity with what God gives to His son (Jesus) which in turn gives to the church (PKG).

Those in God's church (PKG) have true peace and security and it sounds like you are the one who is truly miserable or else you wouldn't be incessantly writing on this blog like a teenager watching a soap opera (how pathetic)!!!
July 31, 2011 9:39 PM

After I enabled comment moderation you then posted it three more times. Then you posted a more amicable comment 8 times:


You don't interpret God's word because you can't. You don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. To you they are just words written on paper with no meaning because you do not know God or His son, Jesus.


You say I don't have any idea what God's word means and to whom it applies. Let's take 1 Timothy 6:3 and use your Bible version. I think it means exactly what it says but here is my attempt at interpretation:

If any person tells me something different than Jesus' soundwords that show us how to do what God wants us to do, then that person is very proud of himself and thinks he knows everything about God, but in reality he knows little or nothing about Jesus or God.

Here it is in the RSV 1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing.

So, if the "interpretation" I wrote above is wrong, please tell me what that verse really means. Type as long as you wish. Tell me what 1Ti 6:3 really means. If I am wrong, surely out of the goodness of your heart you could let me see the errors of my way. That verse is only one sentence. You have definitely made your point about how I do not know what that scripture means. After all you posted it three times, then removed what you thought would be taken as offensive. You then posted your friendlier comment 8 times, so please help me to understand what that verse really means. Thanks for your time because I really really want to know. It has never been explained.

Anonymous said...

Jack,
If you were wondering why I kept posting the same comments I made earlier, it's because I wanted you to know that if you are going to do that in your posts (write the same thing over and over) then I wanted you to experience that as well.

jack635 said...

Well you certainly got your point across when I turned on my computer this morning. Point taken.

Anonymous said...

Jack,

And for the record, the comment that was posted 8 times.., I don't know how that happened as I thought I posted it only 4 times.

Anonymous said...

Jack,
One last thing. We obviously are never going to change what we each believe. I am not going to debate with you on what certain verses mean and to whom they apply. What would that accomplish? You despise Ron and PKG and do not accept anything that comes from it. So no matter what I say, you will always have a rebuttal and since this is your blog then you will always have the last word.

This really is my last comment. I will not bother you again...., that is to say, I will not come to your blog anymore. So long Jack.

jack635 said...

I'm sure you can see I am committed to what I have been taught as the gospel. I need to know what your interpretation of that verse is, as I mentioned a couple of comments ago. I need to know. It is going to drive me crazy all night if I don't get an answer.

Are you going to help me out or throw me in the garbage?

Kirrily XPKG said...

Ah yes Jack, once again a PKG follower having to avoid the question (which can not be answered, as it didn't happen) about Rons prophecies *snicker* coming to pass EXACTLY as both books describe.

Poor anon running off with his pride worse than ever.

At least others in times past have used their names, and when the ministry told them too ceased commenting on blogs like this.

Ron even said himself it takes a certain spirit for a PKG member to want to come to these blogs.

Anon would know very well that others have been disfellowshipped for this (as well as being on Facebook) - but you see, their need to be RIGHT (pride), makes them want to come to these blogs and comment.

Shame none of them have been able to reveal what's actually happened that Ron predicted.

Poor wittle anon, awwwwww.

Kirrily XPKG said...

I don't think you will go anywhere anon, your pride won't let you. I know you.

jack635 said...

I feel so let down and betrayed. I really wanted the PKG interpretation of that verse. I guess I am being thrown in the garbage. Not worthy to satisfy my thirst for the truth of the gospel.

Your were a former PKG. What was your translation of that verse? Or what is their translation of thay verse:

If any person tells me something different than Jesus' soundwords that show us how to do what God wants us to do, then that person is very proud of himself and thinks he knows everything about God, but in reality he knows little or nothing about Jesus or God.

Here it is in the RSV 1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing.

I really want to know what they are teaching but they will not tell me. They would rather see me burn than to let me in on the secret knowledge.

So Kirrily what does it mean. Please type it out.

Kirrily XPKG said...

I didn't see you trying to convince anyone about the truths here Anon, yeah, just you spewing out vile personal attacks on those who disagree with you. I have personally attacked Ron and his wench, I have the right to. But no one here has personally attacked you, just your belief in Ronnie.

You do PKG a great disservice, you also do your own character a great disservice.

Again, I don't believe you will go away (how many times have you said that now?), but if you do, enjoy the remaining portion of the apocolpyse.

Kirrily XPKG said...

To be honest Jack, I never recall that verse being spoken about in PKG - nor the Duet. scripture about false prophets. Funny that.....

jack635 said...

Then I can only conclude this is what the PKG version would be:

Here it is in the RSV 1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing.


and here it is in the PKG version:
If anyone teaches a different doctrine than the doctrine of PKG, and does not agree with the sound words of PKG's Lord Jesus Christ and the PKG teaching that accords with godliness, that person is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing of PKG's God's truth.

Kirrily XPKG said...

I would totally agree with that Jack - hence the attitude by people like Anon and their pride.

If they really believed that we were blind because it was not yet our time to be called by God, they would show love, patience and compassion. None of the traits I experienced with any in PKG (although they think they do).

No, instead we see the worst aspects of pride in it's ugliest as demonstrated here by anon - only capable of personal attacks, puffed up in his belief of being RIGHT.

Geez, you'd think a person would be humble being one of the very few called by God to his truths.

No, instead he is mucking around on disbeliever blogs - they should really examine their necessity to do this, might reveal something about themselves. Lol, and they think we are blind! *sigh*

jack635 said...

My attempt to have a reasonable conversation with a PKG member/elder was a failure. When asked a question about one single sentence in the book they profess to know so much about, they change the subject, they refuse to answer a simple question. Because they cannot. They do not know how to twist the words around like their idol/god Ron does. They are perplexed and it is impossible for them to answer. Nor is it possible for them to share knowledge because everyone else is trash.

So this attempt to have a reasonable conversation was a failure. Exposing how arrogantly contemptuous PKG members are, was a success.

See? I can see both sides to everything.

What was anon's purpose coming here? Was it to enlighten me? Was it to vent their frustration? Was it to call me trash? Or is it like you said many times before? They are questioning in their minds what the hell is going on with Ron's failures. Did they make a mistake by entering into a committment with Ron?

Or do they just have the need to berate the ones who are making them think they may have made a huge mistake?

Less than 300 days left to continue being arrogant, haughty, falsely accusing, and angry.

Good night. Comments are open. I'm going to the cottage to teach a three year old boy to swim. Life is good.

jack635 said...

OOPS!
Sorry anonymous. I almost forgot to close with my signature. You keep questioning Ron's motives in your mind. The anger will go away eventually. And then you will know what it means to be set free.

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"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time." page244 third paragraph of 2008 - God's Final Witness

"1Ti 6:3 I"1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing."

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

You PKGers quit being so lazy. Pick up your Bible and start reading on the first page of Matthew NOT the first page of Genesis. Otherwise, you deserve what people like Ron Weinland are going to do to you. The end of the Bible is Paradise.

Mark said...

The longer I live and the more I observe religious cults I am convinced that most don't understand Jesus as Lord and Savior. They put him in their own little box and make him what THEY want him to be. This is the real test of authentic Christianity. "Who do you say that He is?" The answer to that question will tell you everything you need to know.

jack635 said...

I agree, Mark. They put God in a box of their own choosing, with a pretty ribbon.

Certain persons by swerving from these have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what the are saying or the things about which they make assertions. (1T1:6-7)
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. (2T4:3-4)

It's all there in black and white but they would rather be lied to about fantastic spaceships or wizards with magic powers that never materialize. Almost like "a bad acid trip".

Kirrily XPKG said...

I have to say though guys, I was a 'born again' Christian for 8 years before Armstrongism.

In my experience of 38 years trying to find God and his truth, I have found EVERY church to have their own opinion - EVERY church putting God and Jesus into their own box. I dare say (no disrespect), your religion is no different.

I can honestly tell you that I never read the Bible (for myself!), more earnestly than I did when I was in GTA then PKG. I THOUGHT that I had never before understood the bible so clearly until then.

I find/found that Christians in general to be the most nasty, sad, and depressed people I know. The people who have hurt me the most in life have been Christians.

Of course, I also know many beautiful Christians to! Such as yourselves.

I just think it is unfair though to think PKG and any splinter doesn't read their bible - again, I had never read mine more.

Where does this leave me? Well, frankly it makes me believe that ALL religion is in error, and EVERY different religious 'box' they put God in is wrong too.

You two believe what you do (I'm assuming), because:-

1. You've studied the word.
2. You have a relationship with Jesus.

Most religious people think the have the same, including PKG, JW's, Jews, Catholics, SDA's etc etc - so WHO IS RIGHT?

They ALL profess the Word etc, they ALL tell the followers to read the Word. I just think it's arrogant for ANY religion to believe they have the ultimate truth, when there is absolutely NO proof.

I hope you understand what I am saying, and I think the world of you both. We've all come to where we are in life (religiously speaking), because of our experiences.

But just because you believe your interpretation is correct, doesn't make it so.

The Bible is not clear in any way, shape or form. If it was, there would be one united belief system in Christ. The reality is though, there are thousands - each believing their interpretation is correct - so again, who is right?

The answer to that, is whoever the individual agrees with. Again, doesn't mean that it is correct.

Mmmmm, and the author of confusion is....:::???

jack635 said...

Thanks Kirrily. I've wanted to say something like that but didnt want to offend anyone.

"Religion" should be a personal thing, not someone at the front of the crowd telling everyone what they have to do.

I find/found that Christians in general to be the most nasty, sad, and depressed people I know.

Well, frankly it makes me believe that ALL religion is in error, and EVERY different religious 'box' they put God in is wrong too.


My advice to everyone: stay away from preachers. Believe what you want to believe. "Preachers" should be avoided like the plaque.

Ther is a joke that comes to mind.

Better to be a Christian thrown to the lions, than a lion thrown to the Christians.

jack635 said...

I parroted your comment in bold because that is what I wannted to say. They are all wrong. Only you the individual,are right.

If you feel I didn't get your point, speak freely. You will not be censored or accused or contradicted.

Kirrily XPKG said...

Yes Jack that is what I meant - I can tell you honestly I've never felt more serene in my heart and mind since I've stopped searching for some truth 'out there' somewhere.

I really enjoy your blog, and our chats!

Have a great weekend.

Mark said...

I think that the COGs (and various cults of the same ilk) have set up the false dichotomy of "true" versus "false" churches. While there are a lot of flavors of Christianity, and yes, many of them have come after disagreements among leaders, what I find is that that there is more unity among Christians than any COG preacher would want to admit. I don't hear Baptist preachers saying that a Lutheran is not a Christian, or an Episcopalian saying that a Pentecostal is not a Christian. The way a group expresses worship is different than what they believe. Sure, Theology matters. But whether someone is a Calvanist or Arminian, it isn't central to a relationship with God and his Son Jesus.
No, the "great debate" is not so much within Christianity as it is for those not within.

In the end: "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

This is the great stumbling block for so many. Atheists, agnostics, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, every flavor of Christianity...you name the "religion"... EVERY knee shall bow and confess Jesus is Lord.

Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the life.

jack635 said...

Yup! The people in the churches are good and just trying to do the right thing. It's the mouthpiece at the front of the room that sometimes lead them to abuse others.
"I am the way....." He's not lying.

It is God's will that none shall perish. Now and later.

Kirrily XPKG said...

I agree Mark. I had never felt the 'us and them' before going into Armstrongism.